Hello, this is my overall evaluation of the current version 0.3 of the game. I'm from another country, so I can only use AI to translate what I'm describing. I hope the language barrier across thousands of miles can be overcome, and that everyone can read and understand what I'm saying.
First, a greeting on the premise. Using a visual novel to depict the Xianxia (Immortal Cultivation) genre is a very bold attempt, but it inevitably creates some overall abruptness. If you want to write romance lines between the male protagonist and the female leads, it inevitably comes at the cost of reducing the construction of the world-building and combat. Conversely, focusing on combat and world-building means reducing the emotional stories between the male lead and the heroines. Doing both simultaneously would require a significant amount of development time, especially for a harem multi-heroine theme. It's very difficult to depict each heroine's psychology in accepting a harem within such a worldview. Apart from this drawback, there are also challenges in modeling and combat. I understand that modeling and finding models is difficult, but my point is about the difference in expressiveness. For example, the combat moves displayed during QI FUSION and QI ENLIGHTENMENT stages are almost identical. I hope lower-level cultivators don't have overly flashy combat performances, as this could devalue the subsequent stages like QI CELESTIAL and above. It would be best to add more descriptive writing during combat. A single combat image flashing by cannot have sustained and continuous movement like a 3D animation; it can only be similar to paneled shots in comics. The advantage of comics is their ability to depict a sense of tension through drawing, but 3D struggles with perspective and exaggerated angles. You can use descriptive writing to exaggerate and depict the scenes to compensate for this.
Next is a critique of the world-building. In the game, I feel there are elements mixed in from other works, like Battle Through the Heavens, Sword Coming, Renegade Immortal, Jade Dynasty... etc. I fully understand the author's desire to construct a grand Xianxia世界观 (worldview), but it's inevitable to be influenced by other works, which can lead to confusion in the worldview. In any Xianxia-themed work, the gap between cultivation realms reflects the gap in strength. It's important to know that the strong have cultivated for hundreds of years to have sufficient foundation and combat power. Yet in the game, YUA advanced from an ordinary person to QI FUSION in just four years. The sect master, ELINA, spent over a hundred years to reach QI ASCENDENCY. Being only two realms apart from ELINA's level devalues the realm divisions. Also, instances of "a lower realm defeating a higher realm"最好不要太频繁 (shouldn't be too frequent). In the story, the male protagonist, having just advanced to QI INITIAL, could repel a QI TRANSCENDENCE cultivator. This makes the realm divisions even more devalued and makes all that cultivation seem like just for show. Although here, for the male protagonist, it could be forcefully justified, I hope that in the future, crossing one level is more reasonable if it's under circumstances like fighting many against one, or by introducing numerous treasures to give the protagonist a rationale for becoming stronger. Actually, there's no need to have too many or overly high cultivation levels. Because the world you're building has many dimensions. If the cultivation divisions in different dimensions are the same as in the mortal world, then why distinguish between the lower and upper worlds? God-like figures could appear in the mortal world too. I suggest not focusing too much on dividing cultivation levels. If division is necessary, in the mortal world, having 5 or 6 realms like Qi Condensation (First Realm of Qi Cultivation), Foundation Establishment (Building the Foundation), Core Formation (Forming the Golden Core), Nascent Soul (Infant Soul), and Divine Transformation (Spirit Transformation) is enough. Higher realms that allow breakthroughs to greater heights should only appear when reaching the upper world. This would better reflect the gap between dimensions. It's best to add more focus on introducing things like magic tools (Magical Instruments), magic treasures (Treasure Artifacts), Life-bound Magic Treasures (Treasures Bonded to One's Life), Ancient Treasures, Spirit Beasts, Pills (Alchemical Pills), Cultivation Techniques (Methods/Arts), Formations (Arrays)... etc. For example, works in this genre usually have a section introducing the Storage Pouch. You don't have to write it in detail, but it shouldn't be omitted. Otherwise, it affects the game experience as players won't know where the male protagonist pulls out his treasures from. Adding such a section allows us to see what treasures are in the male protagonist's storage pouch, providing rationale for him to fight across realms against higher-level cultivators. A final point of critique is the lack of introduction to teleportation-type settings. The male protagonist inexplicably goes to random places, which is very sudden and absurd. If there are such spatial spells, why don't the people in the sect notice? They are cultivators of the same realm.
Finally, let's talk about the part I found quite good – the days spent in the outer city with SERENA after going to the Demon Realm with VANNY. Because in this type of game with multiple heroines, it's difficult to advance romance lines simultaneously. Having one or two travel alone is a good way to describe their experiences. The construction introduces many dimensions; there should probably be adventures to other dimensions with different heroines later. This would be a good arc. However, during these adventures, the other heroines would be相当于下线状态 (effectively offline). When they meet again, it might be difficult to continue writing their stories smoothly.
I have written novels in different genres, so I deeply understand the author's efforts in world-building. Of course, everyone has their own understanding of different worlds. If what I said conflicts greatly with the world you are building, just treat it as me talking nonsense. Because the gap between a novel and a visual novel is still significant. The author has the courage and spends time on this, which already earns my great respect. I hope it gets better and better in the future.
At first I thought it was going to be just another isekai story then it turned into a cultivation story, I've seen enough of those that I was prepared for something else entirely. I am very impressed with the direction you are taking it but please, go easier on our poor hearts. My soul was NOT prepared for the end.
Chapter 4 is coming soon Dusk just completed it and is going through some edits before coming up with the links for Patreon first and then public later on!!
Legally impossible. Since the artwork is created using a software called Honey Select 2 which has no commercial licensing options, there's no legal way to sell it. For better or worse, doing so would violate international copyright law.
Cross Realms is absolutely awesome! The challenges are incredibly unique, and the characters are truly captivating. I’m especially grateful to everyone who made it possible to play a game like this
Genuinely 10/10 I'm usually looking for more A scenes for these games, but the story was so good I didn't even care. Keep it up dev you're doing amazing work. Cant wait for the future updates.
Fuck you for making a story this good jesus christ. I'm not normally one to post a review but the story alone had me the entire time which is rare for VN's these days last one i remember doing that is Offcuts. You shold release this as a novel aswell or soemthing like solo leveling but with boobs. 10/10 can't recommend it more.
我刚刚通关了游戏的第三章，很久没有遇到如此引人入胜、让我为之动容的故事了。我非常期待游戏的第四章，衷心感谢创作者为我们带来如此精彩绝伦的体验。 I've just finished Chapter Three of the game, and it's been a long time since I've been so deeply moved by such an outstanding narrative. I'm incredibly excited for Chapter Four and sincerely grateful to the creators for bringing us such a magnificent story.
At first I found it amusing to see chinese style of cultivation worlds mixed with all characters named in western style name and many western faces (although there are still many eastern faces too).
Graphic is good. Not to the point that made it so peak nor become peak, but it's so much better than average, tier 1 or tier 2 compared to tier 0 as the peak. It's smooth to read as manga. Faces of characters seem partially using the template set. The faces of MC & some girls & NPCs look so alike to New Horizon and some other 3D AVNs.
It's also a bit boring to see most arrays(magic circles) are just posterior eight trigrams with one or more taichi figures with absolutely meaningless geometry in chapter 1. It was really weird to see that a sect mainly focus on Swords having so much Taoist stuffs(taichi figures). But they become slightly better in chapter 2 and so much better in chapter 3. So that it turns out let me know that the Author must not a eastern asian.
Later on I found that the plot catch my eyes so much more than just the H scenes that I aimed for before download it. But it still kinda weird that it's a AVN with so few H scenes and H animations.
It's really so short that making all the choices having nearly no meaning and won't affect the later storyline. Would be excited to see the future updates.
4.5/ 5 overall as AVN. If it's just the SFW VN, I would rate it as 5/5.
Yeah, I noticed that, I kind of feel like this one might have been better served as just being a Visual Novel, drop the A bit, because there are so very FEW Adult scenes, in a relatively long game.
More, they do not actually make THAT much difference to the narrative at all. Most could be dropped, or replaced with softcore love scenes, or even just shadowplay or Fade To Black, and would be just as impactful, that is to say not much at all... on the story.
Hopefully we will either get a lot more H scenes... and it actually mean something, and the dev really lean in to that... OR.... they will just do away with them, and perhaps retrospectively nuke the ones already there, dump the Adult tag and release this a VN not an AVN, so we can all just focus on the big magic fights and explosions and such.
Played this in one sitting immediately after disappointingly finding out that the other game i had download and played had been abandoned and ive got to say, took my mind off of it completely, can't wait for the next update, honestly one of the best ive played! X
Those chapters will provide a proper story with a dramatic ending but don't you think it took so much time? Bye the way how much time it take to complete those chapters? Lots of love 💝
It's depends on the chapter length. But on average, each will took about 6 months. It took time because I can only spend 3-4 hours a day to work on it, since I have a daytime job.
Just found this game and can't stop playing. I really love it, keep up the good work, all the characters are really good! I love Liana and Layla personally!
The story of this game is really exciting! The MC is surrounded by many girls who seem to have feelings for him — some even willing to sacrifice their lives for him, which honestly touched my heart. The graphics, voice acting, and background design are all amazing. I really hope this game continues to grow and reach its full potential.
This one seems pretty good... not sure about a DECADE jump WHEN it happens... that is normally something which happens in a prologue, or epilogue. and I never have been a fan of the cultivation/Qi stories of Chinese culture... I prefer my Isekai pure fantasy, with Japanese tropes :P
Still, the story looks fairly good.... with one problem.
This game feels like it SHOULD be called...
Premature Ejaculation Syndrome: Fellatio Edition.
Seriously.
This is a LOT of AVN for VERY LITTLE of the A bit... almost to the point where it feels redundant, and the game could function wholly fine without ANY adult content.
One decent Adult scene, basically at the VERY VERY end, almost, of the game thus far?
There but a few other oral scenes, and nought else really... so why even bother, I find myself asking.
Also... our boy has some problems.
He ought talk to Astrid about healing THAT problem, you know.. the one whereby he cannot last 30 seconds before losing his load?
I mean, I am a terribly lay... the worst thing any woman, even my wife, can EVER do, is let me give them the best two and half minute of disappointment they've ever had..... but at even then, its two and half minutes.
Our boy here Mr MC, cannot even make it half a minute without prematurely firing off.
Tell you what, if THAT was made PART of the story, if that was something all the women destined to be in Harem KNOW (though apparently one of them never WILL be in the Harem.. that is poor form imho, she needs to come back)...about his PES, and THAT is why he cant get laid, it is all Mercy/Pitty Head... that could be pretty hilarious.
But if not? That needs to change, and our boy needs a lot more intimate relations, with a lot more women. I know I know, that sh*t takes a long time to animate, block, light, pose, phase, angle, and pace properly.. but nothing worse than an AVN with limited, and short, A bits. THEY MAKE AN AVN an AVN, instead of just a VN... and if they are only partially, slightly, occasionally there.... then most of the time, I find they should not be there at all.
Nevertheless this is a GOOD start..I will await the next updates, and hopefully, there will be some retconning to ensure that little secret blonde does not go to waste, and there is some more action in relation to the action, that makes and AVN an AVN.
6/10 for now, but only early days I guess, so not concrete.
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Hello, this is my overall evaluation of the current version 0.3 of the game. I'm from another country, so I can only use AI to translate what I'm describing. I hope the language barrier across thousands of miles can be overcome, and that everyone can read and understand what I'm saying.
First, a greeting on the premise. Using a visual novel to depict the Xianxia (Immortal Cultivation) genre is a very bold attempt, but it inevitably creates some overall abruptness. If you want to write romance lines between the male protagonist and the female leads, it inevitably comes at the cost of reducing the construction of the world-building and combat. Conversely, focusing on combat and world-building means reducing the emotional stories between the male lead and the heroines. Doing both simultaneously would require a significant amount of development time, especially for a harem multi-heroine theme. It's very difficult to depict each heroine's psychology in accepting a harem within such a worldview. Apart from this drawback, there are also challenges in modeling and combat. I understand that modeling and finding models is difficult, but my point is about the difference in expressiveness. For example, the combat moves displayed during QI FUSION and QI ENLIGHTENMENT stages are almost identical. I hope lower-level cultivators don't have overly flashy combat performances, as this could devalue the subsequent stages like QI CELESTIAL and above. It would be best to add more descriptive writing during combat. A single combat image flashing by cannot have sustained and continuous movement like a 3D animation; it can only be similar to paneled shots in comics. The advantage of comics is their ability to depict a sense of tension through drawing, but 3D struggles with perspective and exaggerated angles. You can use descriptive writing to exaggerate and depict the scenes to compensate for this.
Next is a critique of the world-building. In the game, I feel there are elements mixed in from other works, like Battle Through the Heavens, Sword Coming, Renegade Immortal, Jade Dynasty... etc. I fully understand the author's desire to construct a grand Xianxia世界观 (worldview), but it's inevitable to be influenced by other works, which can lead to confusion in the worldview. In any Xianxia-themed work, the gap between cultivation realms reflects the gap in strength. It's important to know that the strong have cultivated for hundreds of years to have sufficient foundation and combat power. Yet in the game, YUA advanced from an ordinary person to QI FUSION in just four years. The sect master, ELINA, spent over a hundred years to reach QI ASCENDENCY. Being only two realms apart from ELINA's level devalues the realm divisions. Also, instances of "a lower realm defeating a higher realm"最好不要太频繁 (shouldn't be too frequent). In the story, the male protagonist, having just advanced to QI INITIAL, could repel a QI TRANSCENDENCE cultivator. This makes the realm divisions even more devalued and makes all that cultivation seem like just for show. Although here, for the male protagonist, it could be forcefully justified, I hope that in the future, crossing one level is more reasonable if it's under circumstances like fighting many against one, or by introducing numerous treasures to give the protagonist a rationale for becoming stronger. Actually, there's no need to have too many or overly high cultivation levels. Because the world you're building has many dimensions. If the cultivation divisions in different dimensions are the same as in the mortal world, then why distinguish between the lower and upper worlds? God-like figures could appear in the mortal world too. I suggest not focusing too much on dividing cultivation levels. If division is necessary, in the mortal world, having 5 or 6 realms like Qi Condensation (First Realm of Qi Cultivation), Foundation Establishment (Building the Foundation), Core Formation (Forming the Golden Core), Nascent Soul (Infant Soul), and Divine Transformation (Spirit Transformation) is enough. Higher realms that allow breakthroughs to greater heights should only appear when reaching the upper world. This would better reflect the gap between dimensions. It's best to add more focus on introducing things like magic tools (Magical Instruments), magic treasures (Treasure Artifacts), Life-bound Magic Treasures (Treasures Bonded to One's Life), Ancient Treasures, Spirit Beasts, Pills (Alchemical Pills), Cultivation Techniques (Methods/Arts), Formations (Arrays)... etc. For example, works in this genre usually have a section introducing the Storage Pouch. You don't have to write it in detail, but it shouldn't be omitted. Otherwise, it affects the game experience as players won't know where the male protagonist pulls out his treasures from. Adding such a section allows us to see what treasures are in the male protagonist's storage pouch, providing rationale for him to fight across realms against higher-level cultivators. A final point of critique is the lack of introduction to teleportation-type settings. The male protagonist inexplicably goes to random places, which is very sudden and absurd. If there are such spatial spells, why don't the people in the sect notice? They are cultivators of the same realm.
Finally, let's talk about the part I found quite good – the days spent in the outer city with SERENA after going to the Demon Realm with VANNY. Because in this type of game with multiple heroines, it's difficult to advance romance lines simultaneously. Having one or two travel alone is a good way to describe their experiences. The construction introduces many dimensions; there should probably be adventures to other dimensions with different heroines later. This would be a good arc. However, during these adventures, the other heroines would be相当于下线状态 (effectively offline). When they meet again, it might be difficult to continue writing their stories smoothly.
I have written novels in different genres, so I deeply understand the author's efforts in world-building. Of course, everyone has their own understanding of different worlds. If what I said conflicts greatly with the world you are building, just treat it as me talking nonsense. Because the gap between a novel and a visual novel is still significant. The author has the courage and spends time on this, which already earns my great respect. I hope it gets better and better in the future.
Bro what a cliffhanger, and right after a gutpunch...
Can't wait for the update, the story is amazing.
This story is amazing!
At first I thought it was going to be just another isekai story then it turned into a cultivation story, I've seen enough of those that I was prepared for something else entirely. I am very impressed with the direction you are taking it but please, go easier on our poor hearts. My soul was NOT prepared for the end.
Please keep up the awesome story.
Chapter 4 is coming soon Dusk just completed it and is going through some edits before coming up with the links for Patreon first and then public later on!!
How hard is it to get games like this on steam and GOG?
You're not gonna get HS-based games on Steam.
Legally impossible. Since the artwork is created using a software called Honey Select 2 which has no commercial licensing options, there's no legal way to sell it. For better or worse, doing so would violate international copyright law.
That unique because the story look like manhua
Cross Realms is absolutely awesome! The challenges are incredibly unique, and the characters are truly captivating. I’m especially grateful to everyone who made it possible to play a game like this
this is the best story and game ive ever seen, although it lacks the sound effects but still--its good
I just tried this game for the first time and played thorugh it in a very short time.
I was rivited to see where the story went! :-)
Now I really want to see what happens next!
This is probably the only game I know of which uses full on eastern style combat effects. It certainly leaves an impression! :-D
Keep up the good work!
YOU HAVE TO TRY THIS OUT ! DEADASS 1 OF MY FAVORITE GAME THIS YEAR. ABSOLUTELY IN LOVE WITH THE DEMON PRINCESS
0.4 update is gonna take weeks out of my life.
I can't wait.
Do you plan to add Spanish?
I will add any language if there is a translator reach out to me.
I just played the whole game, and it is an art piece, i would be interested in helping you translate it to spanish
Is there progress logs on the discord? (i cant join it) really looking forward to this one
Yes, I upload progress report and a sneak peek every wee
Ah thanks, could you share the current progress here please? it doesnt let me join for some reason
Sorry for the late response but I just added it. I will once a week
Thank you :)
太好玩了这游戏！我和我弟弟玩哭了好几次
thanks for blessing us with this, dev
Genuinely 10/10 I'm usually looking for more A scenes for these games, but the story was so good I didn't even care. Keep it up dev you're doing amazing work. Cant wait for the future updates.
I'm just like that too but this game made me feel the same
episode 3 gave me depression. i want to curse the dev for making it but at the same time thank them for creating this heart touching episode...
Episode 4 when? I'm dying man give us the stuff already 💀
Game not dead btw
Peak story
Peak game
Fuck it's so damn peak, I really recommend this game
Fuck you for making a story this good jesus christ. I'm not normally one to post a review but the story alone had me the entire time which is rare for VN's these days last one i remember doing that is Offcuts. You shold release this as a novel aswell or soemthing like solo leveling but with boobs. 10/10 can't recommend it more.
can't wait for the next update, loved the story and the setting
为什么刀我，没有你的秋天，不似从前😭😭😭😭
This is an amazing story so far. I'm really looking forward to more
Is there a Spanish translation?
I demand my tears back! What an cinema, love the setting and story, It's epic af.
我刚刚通关了游戏的第三章，很久没有遇到如此引人入胜、让我为之动容的故事了。我非常期待游戏的第四章，衷心感谢创作者为我们带来如此精彩绝伦的体验。
I've just finished Chapter Three of the game, and it's been a long time since I've been so deeply moved by such an outstanding narrative. I'm incredibly excited for Chapter Four and sincerely grateful to the creators for bringing us such a magnificent story.
Hey Dev, just playing your new update and found something that looks a bit odd....
Sometimes action scene are quite fast, so it's kinda hard to catch the movements. Can you slow it down a bit, just a little bit is enough.
Thanks, I love your game so much.... Keep it up Dev.
This game is good!!! I love it!!!
Well will layla come back?
Most probably not, But i believe we'll get to see another sword goddess' vessel or the sword goddess herself.
At first I found it amusing to see chinese style of cultivation worlds mixed with all characters named in western style name and many western faces (although there are still many eastern faces too).
Graphic is good. Not to the point that made it so peak nor become peak, but it's so much better than average, tier 1 or tier 2 compared to tier 0 as the peak. It's smooth to read as manga. Faces of characters seem partially using the template set. The faces of MC & some girls & NPCs look so alike to New Horizon and some other 3D AVNs.
It's also a bit boring to see most arrays(magic circles) are just posterior eight trigrams with one or more taichi figures with absolutely meaningless geometry in chapter 1. It was really weird to see that a sect mainly focus on Swords having so much Taoist stuffs(taichi figures). But they become slightly better in chapter 2 and so much better in chapter 3. So that it turns out let me know that the Author must not a eastern asian.
Later on I found that the plot catch my eyes so much more than just the H scenes that I aimed for before download it. But it still kinda weird that it's a AVN with so few H scenes and H animations.
It's really so short that making all the choices having nearly no meaning and won't affect the later storyline. Would be excited to see the future updates.
4.5/ 5 overall as AVN. If it's just the SFW VN, I would rate it as 5/5.
Yeah, I noticed that, I kind of feel like this one might have been better served as just being a Visual Novel, drop the A bit, because there are so very FEW Adult scenes, in a relatively long game.
More, they do not actually make THAT much difference to the narrative at all. Most could be dropped, or replaced with softcore love scenes, or even just shadowplay or Fade To Black, and would be just as impactful, that is to say not much at all... on the story.
Hopefully we will either get a lot more H scenes... and it actually mean something, and the dev really lean in to that... OR.... they will just do away with them, and perhaps retrospectively nuke the ones already there, dump the Adult tag and release this a VN not an AVN, so we can all just focus on the big magic fights and explosions and such.
Played this in one sitting immediately after disappointingly finding out that the other game i had download and played had been abandoned and ive got to say, took my mind off of it completely, can't wait for the next update, honestly one of the best ive played! X
Is there a walk through available?
There are no official walkthrough as of now.
Love this game.Can't wait for v0.4！
Please do not click on any link in the comment section, they are all scam links.
I cant wait for chapter 4 the Cliffhanger is crazy my question is :when do you expect to release chapter 4
Worst case Jan or Feb. I can't really tell the exact time yet
Can you confirm that chapter 4 is going to be the last chapter? And it taking much time you know. Please reply 🙏🏻 😭
No, there will be 10 chapters
Those chapters will provide a proper story with a dramatic ending but don't you think it took so much time? Bye the way how much time it take to complete those chapters? Lots of love 💝
It's depends on the chapter length. But on average, each will took about 6 months. It took time because I can only spend 3-4 hours a day to work on it, since I have a daytime job.
Loved this from the start to the cliff hanger at the end of chapter 3... keep up the awesome work
Just found this game and can't stop playing. I really love it, keep up the good work, all the characters are really good! I love Liana and Layla personally!
Where part 4 I wait
The story of this game is really exciting! The MC is surrounded by many girls who seem to have feelings for him — some even willing to sacrifice their lives for him, which honestly touched my heart. The graphics, voice acting, and background design are all amazing. I really hope this game continues to grow and reach its full potential.
Expect updates期待更新
This one seems pretty good... not sure about a DECADE jump WHEN it happens... that is normally something which happens in a prologue, or epilogue. and I never have been a fan of the cultivation/Qi stories of Chinese culture... I prefer my Isekai pure fantasy, with Japanese tropes :P
Still, the story looks fairly good.... with one problem.
This game feels like it SHOULD be called...
Premature Ejaculation Syndrome: Fellatio Edition.
Seriously.
This is a LOT of AVN for VERY LITTLE of the A bit... almost to the point where it feels redundant, and the game could function wholly fine without ANY adult content.
One decent Adult scene, basically at the VERY VERY end, almost, of the game thus far?
There but a few other oral scenes, and nought else really... so why even bother, I find myself asking.
Also... our boy has some problems.
He ought talk to Astrid about healing THAT problem, you know.. the one whereby he cannot last 30 seconds before losing his load?
I mean, I am a terribly lay... the worst thing any woman, even my wife, can EVER do, is let me give them the best two and half minute of disappointment they've ever had..... but at even then, its two and half minutes.
Our boy here Mr MC, cannot even make it half a minute without prematurely firing off.
Tell you what, if THAT was made PART of the story, if that was something all the women destined to be in Harem KNOW (though apparently one of them never WILL be in the Harem.. that is poor form imho, she needs to come back)...about his PES, and THAT is why he cant get laid, it is all Mercy/Pitty Head... that could be pretty hilarious.
But if not? That needs to change, and our boy needs a lot more intimate relations, with a lot more women. I know I know, that sh*t takes a long time to animate, block, light, pose, phase, angle, and pace properly.. but nothing worse than an AVN with limited, and short, A bits. THEY MAKE AN AVN an AVN, instead of just a VN... and if they are only partially, slightly, occasionally there.... then most of the time, I find they should not be there at all.
Nevertheless this is a GOOD start..I will await the next updates, and hopefully, there will be some retconning to ensure that little secret blonde does not go to waste, and there is some more action in relation to the action, that makes and AVN an AVN.
6/10 for now, but only early days I guess, so not concrete.